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11:18) To help us understand these points more clearly, let us consider four questions: What is Armageddon? 17:16) So Gog will expect an easy victory. There is no comparison! At conventions the shock announcement was made - the 'generation' was reformulated so that it could stretch into the foreseeable future. The first was the initial portion of Matthew 24, while the latter was an excerpt from Pauls second epistle to Timothy. The wording in the following quotations from the WT is carefully presented so as to obfuscate the real meaning. In a similar way, Christ's presence includes the events leading up to and including the great tribulation. Tribulation has fallen upon those who stand by the Lord. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man's existence on earth. Armageddon Predictions by Jehovah's Witnesses I was just a young kid during the 75 debacle but I do remember the energy and excitment thinking that the great trib was going to start any day now (fear too, but that's another story). *** Reference Bible Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ***, 20 "'However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 5. 16:16. What will Jehovah not allow the nations to do, and why not? No; Christ Jesus the King has not entrusted that office to them. This is why many Witnesses went into the 1980s and early 1990s with great confidence. Secret Documents Leak Jehovah's Witnesses Sex Scandal jw Armageddon: The Next of the Left-Behind Series, The English Standard Version and Micah 5:2, Be Confident of Your Salvation Studies in 1 John (Part 2). Well, I'll be, let's see74 then. (see earlier thread) That is not so easy to call. They contend: It is the generation of people who saw the catastrophic events that broke forth in connection with World War I from 1914 onward (Watchtower, op. Why did things start to pick up again in the 1980s? PRIVACY POLICY 6/1/99 and 8/15/99 Watchtowers each had articles that drew the parallel between the JWs work and Noah's. *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in on Earth-But How? 19 During these difficult last days, many of Jehovahs people are experiencing trials. 4. To read into this text societal conditions that apply exclusively to the modern era, as a sign of the end, is a colossal interpretative blunder. Since his enthronement in 1914 and the 3.5 years it took for the examination to determine who could be called the FDS. And all that without upsetting the majority of its members. Armageddon.REV. Possibly. In what way will Christs anointed brothers be able to return the kindness shown them? I'm the guy for the job! *** Awake! *** w84 12/1 p. 18 Keep Ready! Why, for instance, were there actually more pioneers (% wise) in the late 1980s than leading up to 1975? Would you like to read this article in %%? Wherever they are on earth, Gods people will trust in him when the attack is launched (See paragraph13)*. When the planet earth is destroyed, it will be a consequence of militant muslims or tectonic or planetary/solar mechanics and not because of any intervention from the "spirit realm.". That's awful far away. Daniel 4 Gentile Times "Seven Times" Reference | kingnorth Will Only Baptized Jehovah's Witnesses Survive Armageddon? (a)Who is Gog? Each year they gather into the organization tens of thousands of new ministers, clearly a product of Jehovah's spirit operating through his invisible King-Son and his angelic representatives, then through his faithful slave class on earth today.- . 18 Gods anointed servants will soon be able to return the kindness shown them by those of the other sheep. (John 10:16) How so? Questions From Readers Second Peter 3:10 says: "Jehovah's day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.". A plane carrying five Jehovah's Witness ministers crashed Saturday, killing all aboard, officials said. The general warnings about the nearness of the end, no matter how strongly they are worded, will simply not have the same impact as a definite prediction. | 1:6-9. It doesn't have to be either/or. You would think that somebody who had the absolute truth would have a track record of at least having absolute truth for some amount of time, before they had to change it. Failed Watchtower date predictions and changed date doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses, including lesser known ones such as 1799, 1844, 1874, 1878, 1918, 1920 and the 1940's. . First, there is no literal mountain of Megiddo. That's the beauty of religion and superstition, it has no limits. You should live with fellow Jehovah's Witnesses only. 15. Is it some brilliant, farsighted man, some human who is a master organizer? Voil prs de 90 ans, depuis 1914 , que nous vivons les derniers jours de ce systme de choses.". Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions 'in the name of Jehovah.' Second, the area around Megiddo is far too small to hold the kings of the entire inhabited earth and their armies and war machines. (1John 2:3-5; 5:3) When we show that we know God, we have the honor of being known by him, which will be lifesaving at Armageddon! The Watchtower december 15,2003 titled: Who compose Jesus family? (Rev. What is the scarlet-colored wild beast, and how is it involved in the outworking of Gods will concerning Babylon the Great? A closer look at Jehovah's Witnesses living in the U.S. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being. (Rev. Anointed who 'saw the events of 1914' born Dec 31, 1914 11:59pm dies Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 pm.. At that very moment the 'generation' that will see Armageddon is born Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 and lives another 120 years thusly it is 'logical evidence' that Armageddon shall commence in 2154. Failed date predictions of Jehovah's Witnesses - JWfacts Time will tell. 6/1/99 and 8/15/99 Watchtowers each had articles that drew the parallel between the JWs work and Noah's. 1879 was the start of The Watchtower and 1999 was 120 years later. 14 Gog will trust in his arm of fleshhis military might. Inside The Lost Jehovah's Witnesses Tunnels Under Brooklyn Heights 32:8) We will trust in Jehovah our Goda stand that will seem foolish to the nations. Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. Some of these views involve the length of time it would take for the end to come. Why will the proclamation of peace and security be a dangerous lie? ):--arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought. against Sisera. 5 Jehovahs people have long awaited Armageddon. Incredibly, however, they manipulate the expression this generation across more than 2,000 years of history to embrace the modern era. obviously its not a real talk but has anyone heard of this? when would they say their 144,000 would come from. Inside the Jehovah's Witnesses' Secret Pedophile Database This does not signify that the faithful remnant or society of Jehovah?s anointed witnesses are an earthly tribunal of interpretation, delegated to interpret the Scriptures and its prophecies. Eventually the governing body will stomach the idea of promoting 2034 as the possible date for the end (120 years from 1914 - 'just as the days of Noah will the days of the son of man be.'). Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do. Will the "Great Crowd" be on Earth When Armageddon Breaks Out? This calculation is based in the year 1914 as the begining of the last days plus the. It will not arrive in my lifetime (I'm part of Wobble's generation), nor will it occur within the lifetime of anyone who ever lives. 8:3) How so? beliefs, Is the Watchtower Predicting The End By 2034 Through Subtle Hints? A quarter of a century ago I filed a copy of the Watchtower magazine (published and distributed by the Jehovahs Witnesses). HAVE you heard people apply the word Armageddon to a nuclear war or an environmental disaster? By that time I hope my kid is a millionaire helping to support me in my retirement. How We Can Tell Armageddon Is Near - JW.ORG There were disputes among the governing body about how far they should push the 1975 thing. (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1989, p. 12 [bound volume changed "20th century" to "day"]), Jehovah's prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: 'This generation (of 1914) will by no means pass away until all things occur.' (1 John 2:17) Now is therefore the time to do Jehovah's will with a keen sense of urgency.". Since the generation that overlapped with the eagle-eyed anointed that saw the enthronement that also overlapped the end of the gentile times. Through this agency he is having carried out prophesying on an intensified and unparalleled scale . Either you are "over-eagar" OR you are "spiritually asleep.". She has used her power and influence to exploit her flocks. (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment 1989 "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. (Jas. Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920. No wonder this has a dramatic effect on the Witnesses' ability to convert and retain members - in the western world they have still to recover from the 1995 announcement. (b)What questions will we consider in this article? Jehovahs Witnesses teaches that Armageddon will start in the year 2034. (1Cor. cecinissem casuri agitandarum radiaretis inhibere domuum in Hebrew Gematria equals 2191: c 3 e 5 c 3 i 9 n 40 i 9 s 90 s 90 e 5 m 30 0 c 3 a 1 s 90 u 200 r 80 i 9 0 a 1 g 7 i 9 t 100 a 1 n 40 d 4 a 1 r 80 u 200 m 30 0 r 80 a 1 d 4 i 9 a 1 r 80 e 5 t 100 i 9 s 90 0 i 9 n 40 h 8 i 9 b 2 e 5 in Hebrew Gematria equals 2191: c 3 e 5 c 3 i 9 n 40 i 9 s 90 s 90 e 5 m 30 0 c 3 . Even the Watchtowers Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures acknowledges the force of the original text by this rendition of the term apotrepou, and these be turning yourself away from.. Plane crash on Holston Mountain kills five Jehovah's Witness ministers 30:15; Rev. A former Jehovah's Witness has offered a rare insight into the religious group, describing it as a cult that "tries to control emotions, thought, information and behavior of a person". In fact, they are known throughout the world as Jehovah's Witnesses. Figures increased greatly leading up to 1975 and there was great expectation. PRIVACY SETTINGS, https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/m/2019561/univ/art/2019561_univ_sqr_xl.jpg, THE WATCHTOWERSTUDY EDITION September2019, https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/a/w/E/201909/wpub/w_E_201909_lg.jpg. Jehovah's Witnesses' Rules - avoid jw.org http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/87381/1/2034-A-Future-History-of-Jehovahs-Witnesses. [Footnotes]Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Notice, though, that Jesus did not liken his presence to the Flood of Noahs day, an event in time, but to the days of Noah, a climatic period of time. All content appearing on this site is owned and maintained by the Fortify Your Faith Foundation, a tax-exempt, not-for-profit, religious corporation as defined under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. Armageddon is just ahead. Jehovah's Witnesses(2034-The New Year for Armageddon) - YouTube latest The only consistent thing about that record has been its absolute failure. It was also successful. To the contrary, Jehovah's faithful witnesses have been progressively brought to an understanding of Jehovah's purposes, which are clearer now than ever before in history . As I stated earlier about the account in Luke 17:26-28 referring to the occurrence (event) of the end versus the period of time it would seem that clear thinking would prevent us from trying to attach a length of time of any sort to the presence of Jesus Christ based upon the account in Matthew citied in the article. All this activity is not an accident. what if jehovah's witnesses are right about armageddon? 11 Jehovah will destroy the great prostitute by means of the ten horns of a scarlet-colored wild beast. That figurative wild beast represents the United Nations. Rather, it appears that they are both describing the condition, attitude, and behavior of the people prior to an event, with the event being the subject of the sentences. 19:11-15. The prospect of dying at Armageddon is a terrible thing for a Jehovahs Witness because they are taught that . {WT 6}. Don't cry Slimboy, its early here on the east coast on my side of the pond and most of the rest of the yanks are still in bed, I'll give it a read after my next cup of joe. The glorious reign of Christ that shall bring blessings to the world will immediately follow. Still keep the whole end time thing like others have but make it much more nonspecific, keep the no trinity, no hell, maybe no holidays. Murderers! Why not? 1. It fit together so nicely. In fact they go so far as to say that unless one calls on the true name of God, "Jehovah," one cannot be saved. (August 15, 1950, page 263) "The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. And so will many other people. They believe that Jesus Christ has been ruling in heaven as king since 1914, a date they believe was prophesied in Scripture, and that after that time a period of cleansing occurred, resulting in God's selection of the Bible Students associated with Charles Taze Russell to be his people in 1919. His mother died 16 years later in 1954, refusing a blood transfusion for a life-saving operation. Her grandfather laughed when Armageddon didn't happen in 1914, CT Russell was sweating bullets because he didn't know what to say to anyone, he was panicking and pacing back and forth all night, they were . Seriously based on the 'overlap' generations definition Armageddon has been pushed back to 2154! Sure, you'd lose some members but I would bet you'd keep more born-ins who view JWism as just another religion. It's amazing that other Christians will mock us for this scriptural belief but at the same time tell . The apostle writes: But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that He was using and guiding them.'' (b)Why will our knowing Jehovah prove to be a blessing at Armageddon? This apparently mirrored the mood of reform within the Catholic Church at the time. Jehovah's Witnesses was founded in 1879 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916). You would likely increase cash flow. Not at all. Jehovah's Witness, member of a millennialist denomination that developed within the larger 19th-century Adventist movement in the United States and has since spread worldwide. 2. Can we be intellectually honest in using this account in Matthew 24: 37-39 to say that it is referring to a period of time rather than an event? As she grew up as a third-generation Jehovah's Witness, there were certain things . 18. (a)Why is Armageddon good news for mankind? No, for the Christian congregation is operated theocratically, meaning that it recognizes the leadership only of Jehovah God as exercised through his Son and enthroned King, Jesus Christ. *** Watchtower 1981 December 1 p.27 The Path of the Righteous Does Keep Getting Brighter ***. Like Pharaoh at the Red Sea, Gog will learn that he is fighting against Jehovah.Ex. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, expected that the . Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. The abundance of spiritual food and the amazing details of Jehovah's purposes that have been revealed to Jehovah's anointed witnesses are clear evidence that they are the ones mentioned by Jesus when he foretold a "faithful and discreet slave" class that would be used to dispense God's progressive revelations in these last days. (2Chron. We can imagine how the world will respond. I think a western shrinkage will start in the 2020's and a organizational shift toward the third world will happen. Choose your side, Slimboyfat, choose your side. *** Watchtower 1964 October 1 p.601 Pay Attention to Prophecy ***. latest But is it not far preferable to make some mistakes because of overeagerness to see God's purposes accomplished than to be spiritually asleep as to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy? *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in. . 18:4) They have also worked hard to help others flee from her. So I'd like to answer some of the a accusations that questions about Jehovah's witnesses always seems to bring. How can we remain faithful to Jehovah as Armageddon draws near? 6 How will God defeat his enemies at Armageddon? Final Prophecy Cycle Timeline Images; . Danker, et al., Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, Chicago: University of Chicago, 2000, p. 191). The mental health of Jehovah's Witnesses - PubMed 19:11, 14,15) But what about Jehovahs chief enemy, Satan, whose lying propaganda led the nations to Armageddon? The change in 95 took the wind out of 1) the sails of folks that stuck around after 75 (like my parents that were in their 20s at the time) and 2) the born-ins like me who suddenly realized that we had better plan on getting a real career, get married, have kids and try to live a normal life because there was no longer a end date in sight. The second text to which our friends appeal in support of their imminent Armageddon theory is found in Pauls second epistle to Timothy. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. I asked this question (and I received no answer). Eventually the governing body will stomach the idea of promoting 2034 as the possible date for the end (120 years from 1914 - 'just as the days of Noah will the days of the son of man be'). 14:1-4; Ezek. Why were publishers doing more hours (per publisher) in the late 1980s/early 1990s than in 1975? Maybe instead of WT setting their own date, they will fall back on the possibility of Newton's calculations. 70 Replies They'll work their way up to it over the next couple decades, you'll see. Maybe they're use this one after 2034 hope proves false hope once again. 16:16. WT just did a publicity thing trumping up Isaac Newton in one of the mags this past autumn. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" Let us take a closer look at those two major events. Im not questioning the argument for the presence being some period of time, it is simply that to use these verses (Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 12:26-28) to definitively do so creates more questions and speculation than it needs to, given all of the other proof texts and reasoning that could be used (to support the parousia being a period of time). Included therein were Noah's building of the ark and his preaching work, right up until the time that the Flood finally arrived. But, I am fearfully confident that many others will do so and this will be a question many will ask. It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the 'slave' as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision. And you can tell when Armageddon is near when you see the things . Jehovah's Witnesses take to the streets as busy heathens are rarely (Read Matthew 24:37-39.) Growth slowed substantially in the 1960s and the board of directors panicked. Jesus will hurl him and his demons into an abyss, where they will be locked away for a thousand years.Rev. The Jehovahs Witness view of the battle of Armageddon is but one example of the ineptness of this group to analyze biblical prophecy. We also show that we know him when we love and obey him and give him our exclusive devotion. Jehovah's Witnesses: Is Armageddon Still Just Around the Corner? Welcome This website was founded by dedicated, baptized Jehovah's Witnesses. The organization is asking Ramapo . Satan, of course, will be enraged. Megiddo was a city in ancient Israel. A third requirement is that we be associated with God's channel, his organization. Note: The tribes of Dan and Ephraim are not included in this list because Dan was guilty of idolatry at Leviticus 24:11; Judges 18:1, 30; and 1 Kings 12:28-30 and Ephraim guilty of idolatry at Hosea 4:17 and Judges 17. 346-348 pars. We are certainly in 'the time of the end.'. Fred Franz managed to publish more definite statements about 1975 than the other members would have liked. A subsequent feature article by the same name followed (pp. *** Watchtower 1972 August 1 p.458 Loving Oversight of the Congregation of God ***, THEOCRATIC APPOINTMENT IN THE CONGREGATION. 873 Jehovah's Witnesses Premium High Res Photos - Getty Images Why did God connect his final great war with Megiddo? Lots of threats - pandemic, China, Russia, terrorism and no real integrity in leadership are unnerving, however the JW's have a clear and tangible history of falsely prophesying Armageddon, actually 6 or 7 separate and distinct episodes in their brief ~140 year history - yes "God's Organization" is less than 200 yrs old as while Jesus walked . If we have once established what instrument God is using as his "slave" to dispense spiritual food to his people, surely Jehovah is not pleased if we receive that food as though it might contain something harmful. And should we forget; liars. Or will the Witnesses break up into various factions and branches before it even reaches that stage? Moreover, the need to revise our understanding somewhat does not make us false prophets or change the fact that we are living in "the last days," soon to experience the "great tribulation" that will pave the way for the earthly Paradise. (Watchtower 1925, p. 56), 1940 The Kingdom is here, the King is enthroned. Answer the door. ***. 38:16) But Gog will soon see that he has marched into a trap. Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring 'the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.' Or will ordinary Witnesses see through the date setting because of the flood of information on the Internet? I would seem that things are being revealed at the proper time to encourage the preaching work. (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968). I was quite taken with this theory at the time, but of course 1999 came and went. Contact. 'He that does the will of God remains forever,' states the Bible. Can you post the appropriate segment of the French version? 16:16; ftn.) The Bible helps us to foresee some coming developments. Notice that Jesus did not liken his presence to the relatively short period of time during which the Flood occurred in Noah's day. (The Watchtower June 1, 1976 pgs. 7 The proclamation of peace and security precedes Jehovahs day. (Read 1Thessalonians 5:1-6.) The torrent of Kishon washed them away.Judg. Barak and the prophetess Deborah thanked Jehovah for their miraculous victory. Only the best I'll accept, I learned well from the HUMBLE Governing Body, oh yeah! Now, all they have to do is shift the start date to 1914 and they've got 2034 to look forward to. I'll bring the organization into the promised land, oh yeah! SONG 143 Keep Working, Watching, and Waiting. What events will lead up to it? To become, i.e. Jehovah's Witnesses(2034-The New date for Armageddon from the - YouTube Therefore, these revisions and changes are themselves fully theocratic, so they do not alter in any way the fully theocratic structure of the organization. Har-Magedon, or Armageddon, means the "mountain of the assembly of troops", and it refers in a symbolic way to the capital organization of Zion where Jehovah God has enthroned Christ Jesus as earth's rightful ruler. 2:9-11; 1 Cor. But what happened to the mood of reform? ***, Jehovah's Witnesses , in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Over the past five years, hundreds of Jehovah's Witnesses have been subjected to raids, arrests and prosecution in Russia. Jehovah's Witnesses teaches that Armageddon will start in the year 2034.
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